We talked about guy stuff too: gurls, his service in the military, whiskey, walking sticks and gurls. We advised each other about how to hit a curve ball (which we knew nothing about,) how to build a fire, which we did both nights, and generally, what it means to be a man. He read a paper which he was scheduled to deliver the following week to a group of big shots in the psychiatry field and he welcomed my feedback. I pointed out that in my work, I myself used many of the same phrases he read. We mused that we had the same teaching style.